[murbot]

Prostate cancer treatment may shorten penis

Like god giving you ass cancer isn't fucking bad enough.

Talk about kicking you when you're down, and I mean like, right on the tip of your dick and down. Hard.

[thegelding]

wow, almost 50% reduction...

damn, if i got that treatment it would put me at right about average size...

g

that was for windy, cuz she wonders from time to time

[chucker]

Originally Posted by thegelding that was for windy, cuz she wonders from time to time

[dmegatool]

I was wondering what "a significant reduction" means till I read the part :

Just before treatment began, the average stretched penile length was 5.6 inches. Eighteen months later, the average penile length had shortened significantly to 3.4 inches.

That is the kind of things you only wish to people you hate the most. Hope nobody here at AN will get this.

[Wyatt]

Originally Posted by thegelding wow, almost 50% reduction... damn, if i got that treatment it would put me at right about average size... g that was for windy, cuz she wonders from time to time

This is a very disturbing report, indeed. We need to find a treatment that actually increases the size. That way, when you have to deal with that shit, there's something good on the other end.

[Windswept]

Originally Posted by thegelding wow, almost 50% reduction... damn, if i got that treatment it would put me at right about average size... g that was for windy, cuz she wonders from time to time

Oh lordy.

[Moogs]

If this isn't cause to skip the "therapy" and go straight for invasive surgery (which sucks but...), I don't know what is.

[BuonRotto]

OK, I shouldn't say anything, but what do they mean stretched penile length? Do they really yank on it, and is 5.6" really the average?!

[Moogs]

Probably. Don't the studies say most guys' wangs are between 4.5 and 6.5 inches? Look it up on boner-pedia.

[Wrao]

Originally Posted by BuonRotto OK, I shouldn't say anything, but what do they mean stretched penile length? Do they really yank on it, and is 5.6" really the average?!

That's what they say. Average Male height in the US is supposed to be about 5'9. I don't know if I buy either of them.

[Barto]

Stretched penile length can be self-reported or doctor measured. The self-reported studies are bogus (for obvious reasons), with the doctor ones they yank hard and outwards (while you're soft) and measure.

[bassplayinMacFiend]

Originally Posted by BuonRotto OK, I shouldn't say anything, but what do they mean stretched penile length? Do they really yank on it, and is 5.6" really the average?!

Does this mean there's a penis rack in the doctor's office somewhere???

[BuonRotto]

The thought of calipers coming anywhere close to that area makes me squeamish.

[psmith2.0]

Originally Posted by Barto Stretched penile length can be self-reported or doctor measured. The self-reported studies are bogus (for obvious reasons), with the doctor ones they yank hard and outwards (while you're soft) and measure.

Years ago, Damon Wayans did stand-up routine about guys measuring themselves. And how they'd start at the very back, beyond the base, beyond the scrotum, practically around to their lower back.

"Oh yeah...19 inches, baby"



You had to see it, I guess.

[Moogs]

To bad women never measure their love tunnels... that would make for good comedy.

[Oompa Loompa]

Originally Posted by Moogs To bad women never measure their love tunnels... that would make for good comedy.

I don't like men with a large penis; it's really unpleasant and extremely unhandy too. (ugh, I really should stop posting today.)

[Windswept]

I just saw a prostate cancer ad on tv last night, where they *freeze* the area with the cancer cells.

Seems like that would be a lot better approach than radiation - assuming that freezing actually works, that is.

[Banana]

It makes me wonder if the converse is true....

[Moogs]

[Thanks for bringing the thread back on track guys, I wasn't trying to divert it but...]

[...]anyway don't feel compelled to share personal stuff Oomps, unless you want to; I certainly wasn't directing any of my comments at you or Carol or any woman that might read this thread. General commentary only. I was making a random comment that it would be humorous (in a sitcom or movie) to watch women argue / brag about their uh, sensitive parts. I guess I should leave the sex humor to Murbot.

On a serious note, prostate cancer is sort of an overlooked thing as far as the suffering it can cause somebody, emotional or physical pain. The odd part of that is, it's more common than most other types of cancer in men, especially older men, so you'd think people would be more tuned into it. Hopefully some of the new treatments will avoid the kinds of side-effects mentioned here.

As for women the analogy to a shrinking thingy, is having part of your breast removed and feeling less attractive to the opposite sex even though at the end of treatment you are hopefully healthy again and functioning normally (i.e what's important). Also it's kind of sad that probably a lot of women think they're supposed to like certain things about sex or else there's something wrong with them. I mean, if you want to get down to the real, a woman's anatomy - while built to stretch and give way some (that is, there is not specific "length") - is still a small space for most and so I imagine having the proverbial prOn star treatment from some guy with a 10" dong / dildo, would be painful.

[Banana]

Actually, I recall reading in medical textbook stating that the relaxed vagina has opening big enough for a 2# pencil and can stretch up to and more than 10 cm wide.

So, yeah, lot of stretch room there. But it's not first time I've heard that bigger dicks are more painful. (Is that why we call some rude people "dicks"? )

[Naderfan]

If I recall correctly, prostate cancer is almost guaranteed for every man if he lives long enough. Luckily, it seems to have a higher cure rate, but there of course are still side effects and i think a cancer diagnosis is always a bit traumatic, regardless of the survival rate. Sorry to hear that after all that, there's still more pain.

[bassplayinMacFiend]

Originally Posted by Windswept I just saw a prostate cancer ad on tv last night, where they *freeze* the area with the cancer cells. Seems like that would be a lot better approach than radiation - assuming that freezing actually works, that is.

They use radioactive 'seeds' now, where the seed size is customized to emit only enough radiation to affect the tumor. Smaller tumors use smaller seeds and vice versa. The seed is then directly injected into the tumor.

Do you remember what company made that ad? I'd be interested in how they isolate the surrounding cells during the cryoscopy.

[Windswept]

Originally Posted by bassplayinMacFiend They use radioactive 'seeds' now, where the seed size is customized to emit only enough radiation to affect the tumor. Smaller tumors use smaller seeds and vice versa. The seed is then directly injected into the tumor. Do you remember what company made that ad? I'd be interested in how they isolate the surrounding cells during the cryoscopy.

Yes, I do know about the seeds. My dad underwent that procedure some years ago. I don't know how well they worked, or if there were side-effects, because he was very closemouthed about those aspects. I'm pretty sure the seeds got rid of the cancer though; but whether they affected other, unrelated tissues... I'm not at all sure.

Well, I just got the briefest glimpse of that commercial. I think the company name started with 'kryon'-something, but I could be completely wrong about that. I had never seen it before, I'm pretty sure; so maybe it's fairly new and will be on for a while.

[Sauvblanc]

My former postdoc supervisor was a radiation oncologist who specialized in treating prostate cancer. Spending time listening to him talk about the politics of prostate cancer and spending some time in the clinic with him around people being treated for prostate cancer was interesting and scary. Most of the people we saw in the clinic were undergoing radiation therapy for purely pallitative purposes-their prostate cancer had metastatized to their spines. Basically these folks had one foot in the grave.

As Moogs pointed out, it's pretty common. And when caught early enough, is amongst the most treatable forms of cancer. But there is such a stigma about it. Not just the effects of treatment but getting tested for it. And considering that most men don't see their GP on a regular basis, getting them to do so AND to submit to the digital rectal exam over the age of 45 is difficult. So there are a lot of men who don't find out until it's way too late.

The so-called "pink ribbon" campaign regarding breast cancer has turned into a corporate entity and fundraising monster on its own. It has been great for making women aware of the need to get mammograms and do self-examinations on a regular basis. It's been good about providing support networks to help women deal with breast cancer, about helping them cope with the effects of treatment and providing spousal/partner support. It's also raised untold millions of dollars for research. But prostate cancer? Nah.

This is exactly what my boss has been trying to do-bring awareness of prostate cancer up to the same level of breast cancer and remove the stigma surrounding it. But it's a tough hurdle.

[Windswept]

My dad saw an ad in the newspaper for a free PSA test given by some clinic. The test results caused him to go to the doctor for immediate follow-up, so his diagnosis was very early.

Apparently there's some controversy about the PSA test (a blood test) however.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f.../Detection/PSA

Originally Posted by Sauvblanc their prostate cancer had metastatized to their spines.

Urk.

[Sauvblanc]

No single test is 100% accurate anyway...

[autodata]

Well, all I can say is that it's a good thing that frequent sex likely reduces the risk of prostate cancer...

[Moogs]

yes that is good.

As for not getting tested, the reasons are obvious. No one likes the cattle prod treatment. Isn't the PSA test also quite painful (they have to jam a big needle up there somewheres, don't they)? One thing I never got is whether the PSA test can be done instead of the ole cattle prod, or if they both have to be done. Either way the whole thing is just about as bad as a doctor's visit gets. Guy's version of a PAP smear, which is also highly unpleasant I'm told, where they have to scrape around in there with a piece of metal or some horrible thing?

[Windswept]

Originally Posted by Moogs yes that is good. As for not getting tested, the reasons are obvious. No one likes the cattle prod treatment. Isn't the PSA test also quite painful (they have to jam a big needle up there somewheres, don't they)? One thing I never got is whether the PSA test can be done instead of the ole cattle prod, or if they both have to be done. Either way the whole thing is just about as bad as a doctor's visit gets. Guy's version of a PAP smear, which is also highly unpleasant I'm told, where they have to scrape around in there with a piece of metal or some horrible thing?

Um... I think the PSA test is a BLOOD test, Moogs. Protein Specific Antigen... or something like that.

You know... they draw blood from your...

ARM! eek!

[bassplayinMacFiend]

Originally Posted by Windswept Um... I think the PSA test is a BLOOD test, Moogs. Protein Specific Antigen... or something like that. You know... they draw blood from your... ARM! eek!