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I guess I'm not entirely sure what the bombshell story is. I looked at several articles, and…
For example, Newsweek lists 5 revelations 1. A Bill Gates adviser was worried about Fauci's health 2. Fauci offered support to a Chinese health official 3. Experts worried that COVID-19 could 'look engineered' 4. Fauci said that store-bought masks are 'not really effective' 5. Fauci was uncomfortable with people's fascination with him Of those, I guess the one about being engineered is an ongoing debate. But why shouldn't he be able to speculate on that? |
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You dug more into it than I did. Just passing through my RSS feeds I'm seeing reference after reference about these emails released (some redacted) to/from Fauci and all the headlines are filled with sensationalist verbiage.
On the note about being "engineered" I can see that being a problem given the staunch "not from lab in China" stance out there. He himself even said it couldn't have been lab created. The more conservative blogs I'm passing through jumped on the mask thing given so many are anti-mask. (Reference my father-in-law who pissed in a parking lot because he refused to put on a mask when waiting for his wife in a medical facility.) Louis L'Amour, “To make democracy work, we must be a nation of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.” Visit our archived Minecraft world! | Maybe someday I'll proof read, until then deal with it. |
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The two outlets that obtained the emails via FOIA each have articles up. Both are worth reading (they're not that long and they do overlap somewhat).
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Like, yes, Fauci is also kind of a spokesperson, so he'll externally try to have consistent messaging. But internally, it shouldn't be shocking that he looks at things from different angles. And on some things, he was plain wrong; good thing he wasn't too loud about those. |
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And blanket sensationalist statements like this from the right are somehow better? Let’s face it, when it comes to BS the left and the right are both full of it in some areas. While the left can definitely be out there, the right’s solution (metaphorically speaking) is to stick its head in the sand, throw it’s arms in the air and blame everyone else for their problems. No accountable for the roll they play in the worlds problems. Both sides are boring, and everyone else is tired of it, so take a deep breath and put your big kids pants on. |
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But that wasn't your claim. It was: "If it wasn't for the Trump admin's Operation Warp Speed, much of the planet (including Canada) would be despondent at this point." Which, lol. |
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I can't tell any more if your argument is "the world should be thankful for how much supply OWS gave others" (which seems to be your original argument) or "of course the US prioritized itself with OWS, why wouldn't it?" (which, fair enough, but then don't paint the US as so benevolent and crucial, maybe?).
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Canada alone is now getting millions more vaccines from the US much faster than expected. In a pandemic, that's no 'small' thing. |
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My argument is that the situation is improving quicker than expected, in part due to the fact that the US vaccine rollout was extremely efficient in comparison to much of the rest of the world, and those U.S. vaccine plants can now pivot to helping to fulfill demand around the world. |
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It's practically impossible to NOT get a vaccination today in my neck of the woods, generally on your own schedule. It was not like that in the beginning. During the earliest days it was confusing, but now it's a breeze. How did we get here? Who gets the credit?
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Axios has announced that Covid-19 case-counts are so low in the U.S., they are ending their weekly case mapping project.
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Okay y'all, enough belly-bumping over our golden god past president, I'm bringing you some fresh meat.
I just read an article on the highly questionable website NewsWeek, entitled "How Amateur Sleuths Broke the Wuhan Lab Story and Embarrassed the Media". What's your opinion on this? PART 1 Quote:
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People from different countries teamed up, not unlike conspiracy theorists, to track down digital tracks left by researchers in China (who were playing fast and loose with COVID.
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I don’t doubt that humans could/would make such a thing, and release it, accidentally or on purpose, the story is a little over the top. “News” sites with un-named reporters (this part would be required to get info out of China), and gathering random rumors of the internet a true story does not make.
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Another friend I discussed this with expressed incredulity that anyone could surf behind the Great Firewall and walk away with information like those claimed by this group. He noted that the lead "source" (The Seeker) has not revealed who he is, and that it's a conflation to suggest that labs with poor security necessarily equate to a lab-borne virus.
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Apparently, news is now starting to break of a Chinese defector in U.S. custody for the last three months, which is said to be the source of much of the lab information.
Interestingly, Defense Intelligence apparently kept the knowledge of the defector away from the FBI and State Department, because they didn't want it to leak. I have no info on the history and quality of the sources, just passing it on. |
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Agreed, I wouldn't call that a credible "news" site either. But as I said before, I don't doubt for a second that the lab could have released the virus, maybe by mistake. It happened, China didn't want to say anything because hey why should only their economy be hurt by it, when the entire world can suffer, and benefit China in the long run. Weakened western economies, and our dependence on imported goods is coming back to haunt us. Dumping all those jobs off shore over the last 30-50 years wasn't such a good idea after all, who would have guessed? But hey, rich people got richer, so it must be good! Capitalism/free market is perfect and solves all the worlds problems!!! Guess China got it figured out, and it pulling the strings like a treat. All they had to do was watch what the west did to them in the 1800's (imports of opioids leading to huge amounts of drug addiction, doing things to hurt economies, bringing smallpox to Asia), and now they are paying us back exactly the same way.
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Good call. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/red-state/
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I've been subscribing to the PS2.0 mantra - I'm not going to change any minds here, and what I would say is probably best left unsaid.
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