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Brad · 2004-06-28, 12:49

Well, Jobs has let another cat out of the bag. He's said that there are now 12 million Mac OS X users, about half of Apple's installed base. That makes me wonder how many years back Apple counts old Macs in the installed base. After all, Mac OS X has been out for over three years.

You can get all of the gorey details first-hand from Apple.com's Tiger page:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/

Here are some bits from the conference about this new beast:

Planned to ship in first half of 2005.
Another 150 new features, some "groundbreaking".
Better SMB support.
64-bitness.
New feature: Spotlight does system-wide searching with full content indexing within files. Relies on new metadata support in Tiger.
Updated MPEG4, h.264 in new version of QuickTime.
Updated Safari with RSS feed reader.
New tech: Core Image and Core Video. Like Core Audio for sound, they offer real-time image processing with over 100 filters using the GPU instead of the CPU.
Updated .Mac integration.
New feature: Dashboard is a Konfabulator-like set of widgets that appear and disappear instantly with a keystroke.
New feature: Automator brings GUI-driven scripting with drag-and-drop from a list of commands.
Updated iChat can talk to multiple people: 10 people in audio, 3 additional in video.

It looks like those screenshots from GNAA were real after all.

LoCash · 2004-06-28, 12:51

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amarone · 2004-06-28, 13:21

"1417 -- I'm going to get another beer."

Best keynote coverage ever!

InactionMan · 2004-06-28, 13:56

I asked for Robots, Steve gave us Robots.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/automator.html

Brad · 2004-06-28, 13:59

OMFG!

Smart folders have finally surfaced from the old Copland project!

http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/search_finder.html
(see the folders in the sidebar)

Luca · 2004-06-28, 14:06

Not only is Dashboard an exact copy of Konfabulator, even the "Show/Hide Widgets with a function key" feature was already introduced for Konfab as well!

Cupertino, start your photocopiers.

noleli2 · 2004-06-28, 14:14

They have been known to buy ideas from 3rd party developers and put them into the OS. Remember SuperClock?

Xaqtly · 2004-06-28, 14:14

Is there any proof that Apple didn't actually make a deal with Konfabulator to incorporate it into the OS? Unlikely I know, but since it seems to be such an exact copy, and since Apple is usually so aware of legal issues involving stuff like this... seemed like a possibility.

ast3r3x · 2004-06-28, 14:17

Not according to the dev of confabulator at least

...unless he was pretending to not let any secrets out about tiger.

LoCash · 2004-06-28, 14:18

SuperClock was back when Apple would actually write a check to a developer to use their product. Now they just rebuild their ideas into the OS without having to involve accounting. Is it just me, or does the WWDC seem like the absolute WORST place to show developers that you're building their products into your OS.

Barto · 2004-06-28, 14:20

Either Apple didn't make a deal or the creator of Konfab was doing a really good impression of being pissed off.

Anyway...

1) http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/core.html Core Image combined with Automator are most of Photoshop incorporated into the OS. I wonder how Adobe is going to feel about that. Screw 'em I say.

2) Unified metadata. Prepare to bask in it's warm glow in 1st half 2005. Single index for all metadata automatically updated when any file (or file like object that has metadata) changes. Single metadata format with an API and importers/exporters for 3rd party file formats. Two years ahead of Microsoft. Yay my brethren for he hath bequeathed to us a glorious, radiant gift.

Hobbes · 2004-06-28, 14:22

Apple absolutely didn't make a deal with Arlo Rose (creator of Konfabulator) -- proof being that he's rather unhappy right now. As one might expect.

And considering that Konexpos�, the feature to instantly hide and show Konfab widgets, was just announced a few days ago, it seems more like two concepts heading the same place.... rather than Apple ripping off Konfab to its very last detail.

However I think the issue is kind of complex, though the issue is more political than ethical, IMO. In other words, Apple has every right to develop what is basically an advanced version of DAs (remember those?); at the same time, as with Watson, when it copies its developers so explicitly, it risks isolating and even destroying developer innovation. (uncomfortable shrug) I don't know. It's a fine line.

Windswept · 2004-06-28, 14:24

Quote:

Tiger�s new system-wide Spotlight search helps you find anything on your Mac, instantly. Spotlight can find email messages, calendars and contacts along with documents, movies, images � any kind of file � all at once. Spotlight results are displayed in easy-to-understand categories that help you browse, pick and click. Finding the stuff you need on your personal computer is now as fast and effortless as searching for songs in iTunes.

"Spotlight" alone makes me swoon. Sigh.

noleli2 · 2004-06-28, 14:26

Quote:

1) http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/core.html Core Image combined with Automator are most of Photoshop incorporated into the OS. I wonder how Adobe is going to feel about that. Screw 'em I say.

All they did was include the filters, which are just mathematical algorithms. I didn't see anything about any software to access them. Developers could write a nice image processing app taking advantage of these, but it's not built in.

InactionMan · 2004-06-28, 14:44

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Originally Posted by noleli2

All they did was include the filters, which are just mathematical algorithms. I didn't see anything about any software to access them. Developers could write a nice image processing app taking advantage of these, but it's not built in.

iPhoto 5?

MacUsers · 2004-06-28, 14:53

Was a price mentioned?

noleli2 · 2004-06-28, 14:55

And were minimum system requirements mentioned?

Brad · 2004-06-28, 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barto

1) http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/core.html Core Image combined with Automator are most of Photoshop incorporated into the OS. I wonder how Adobe is going to feel about that. Screw 'em I say.

People said the same thing when Mac OS X DP 3 was first previewed with the PDF compositor and Sketch.app. Some claimed that we'd have Illustrator-killers on every corner and that Adobe would be pissed.

Did that happen? Nope.

I'd love to see Illustrator- and Photoshop-killers spring up, but it's yet to happen. (No, I don't consider OmniGraffle an Ilustrator-killer, but it is a great app.)

Hobbes · 2004-06-28, 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacUsers

Was a price mentioned?

Same as always, $129.

Brad · 2004-06-28, 15:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by noleli2

And were minimum system requirements mentioned?

It's not going to be released until the middle of next year! I think it's a little early to be asking this.

Barracuda · 2004-06-28, 15:23

Did anyone notice the updated QuickTime logo?

How do I make an attachment of it?

MacUsers · 2004-06-28, 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barracuda

Did anyone notice the updated QuickTime logo?

How do I make an attachment of it?

You mean that? (press the button with the little mountain at the top then insert the URL to put an image in)

Ya, it's fat now.

BlueRabbit · 2004-06-28, 15:25

Take a look at the Stock Ticker from the Dashboard Preview picture:

Apparently, Apple's stock is up $7.36 to 42.05, and Microsoft is down $1.34 to 18.23. Plus, Microsoft is the only one that is down at all. Is this a subliminal message?

MacUsers · 2004-06-28, 15:26

that is great! Nice catch.

Barracuda · 2004-06-28, 15:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacUsers

You mean that? (press the button with the little mountain at the top then insert the URL to put an image in)

Ya, it's fat now.

Yep. That's the one! I don't think I have the little mountain privilege to post attachments. edit: I just checked and I do have that feature, but how did you create a URL for teh new QT logo?

You can compare it the QT logo in your dock to see the differences.

OwlBoy · 2004-06-28, 15:46

Yeah, I noticed that icon right off the bat.

Whats up with the new menu bar too? blue ends?

-Owl

MacUsers · 2004-06-28, 15:55

Ya really... it's like the start menu in Windows. Eww.

Escher · 2004-06-28, 16:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacUsers

Ya really... it's like the start menu in Windows. Eww.

Ugh. I hadn't really noticed. The white Apple logo on Aqua blue looks terribly tacky.

Escher

SonOfSylvanus · 2004-06-28, 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by OwlBoy

Yeah, I noticed that icon right off the bat.

Whats up with the new menu bar too? blue ends?

-Owl

Yeah, YEUCH! And look at this QT from Apples preview pages -- the coloured parts (in this case, "Spotlight"

DE-highlights when you click on it

MacUsers · 2004-06-28, 16:25

That makes NO SENSE AT ALL. Please reverse it. Storm Apple with feedback.

LoCash Rest In Peace administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Atlanta	2004-06-28, 12:51 We're also updating live on http://applenova.com/
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amarone Member Join Date: May 2004	2004-06-28, 13:21 "1417 -- I'm going to get another beer." Best keynote coverage ever!
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InactionMan Veteran Member Join Date: May 2004	2004-06-28, 13:56 I asked for Robots, Steve gave us Robots. http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/automator.html
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Brad Selfish Heathen administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Zone of Pain	2004-06-28, 13:59 OMFG! Smart folders have finally surfaced from the old Copland project! http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/search_finder.html (see the folders in the sidebar)
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Luca ಠ_ರೃ Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minnesota	2004-06-28, 14:06 Not only is Dashboard an exact copy of Konfabulator, even the "Show/Hide Widgets with a function key" feature was already introduced for Konfab as well! Cupertino, start your photocopiers.
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noleli2 Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chicago	2004-06-28, 14:14 They have been known to buy ideas from 3rd party developers and put them into the OS. Remember SuperClock?
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Xaqtly Veteran Member Join Date: May 2004	2004-06-28, 14:14 Is there any proof that Apple didn't actually make a deal with Konfabulator to incorporate it into the OS? Unlikely I know, but since it seems to be such an exact copy, and since Apple is usually so aware of legal issues involving stuff like this... seemed like a possibility.
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ast3r3x 25 chars of wasted space. Join Date: May 2004	2004-06-28, 14:17 Not according to the dev of confabulator at least ...unless he was pretending to not let any secrets out about tiger.
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MacUsers Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Atlanta.	2004-06-28, 14:53 Was a price mentioned?
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noleli2 Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chicago	2004-06-28, 14:55 And were minimum system requirements mentioned?
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Barracuda Member Join Date: Jun 2004	2004-06-28, 15:23 Did anyone notice the updated QuickTime logo? How do I make an attachment of it?
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BlueRabbit Veteran Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA	2004-06-28, 15:25 Take a look at the Stock Ticker from the Dashboard Preview picture: Apparently, Apple's stock is up $7.36 to 42.05, and Microsoft is down $1.34 to 18.23. Plus, Microsoft is the only one that is down at all. Is this a subliminal message?
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MacUsers Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Atlanta.	2004-06-28, 15:26 that is great! Nice catch.
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OwlBoy New Member Join Date: Jun 2004	2004-06-28, 15:46 Yeah, I noticed that icon right off the bat. Whats up with the new menu bar too? blue ends? -Owl
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MacUsers Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Atlanta.	2004-06-28, 15:55 Ya really... it's like the start menu in Windows. Eww.
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MacUsers Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Atlanta.	2004-06-28, 16:25 That makes NO SENSE AT ALL. Please reverse it. Storm Apple with feedback.
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