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Brad · 2009-09-09, 17:32

Glad you guys warned me about the new iTunes skin. I'll zip up my current copy before installing.

psmith2.0 · 2009-09-09, 17:36

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Originally Posted by Iago

A mighty 1.1KB/sec here! Woo! 20 hours, 34 minutes remaining!

Are you on a dial-up, pedal-powered coconut/twig modem or something?

Iago · 2009-09-09, 17:51

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Originally Posted by pscates2.0

Are you on a dial-up, pedal-powered coconut/twig modem or something?

I'm at my folks' place, a far cry from the heady 20Mbit Cable connection I get where I live

They have crummy broadband, and my Father, in his wisdom, put the wireless router downstairs, despite all the computers in the house being upstairs. Transmission gets a reasonable if not brilliant 50kb/s up here, so it's probably just Software Update being shit. I'm quite impressed by it really, this spare bedroom is above the drawing room which is bloody miles away from the router. My entitlement syndrome doesn't stretch as far as complaining about the invisible internet access I get being slow

Brad · 2009-09-09, 18:26

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Originally Posted by Brad

Glad you guys warned me about the new iTunes skin. I'll zip up my current copy before installing.

Robo · 2009-09-09, 18:28

Why are the bottoms of the red/yellow/green buttons squared off?

Brad · 2009-09-09, 18:34

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Originally Posted by Roboman

Why are the bottoms of the red/yellow/green buttons squared off?

Squared off buttons are the least of iTunes 9's problems.

Why, oh, why does Apple have to make the basic interface progressively worse with every release of iTunes?

Sure, some things improve with each release, but it always feels like a "two steps forward, three steps back" kind of situation.

Swox · 2009-09-09, 18:39

I don't care for it much either. Is there any way to re-skin it with the old ones?

gsxrboy · 2009-09-09, 20:32

Argh, the stupid genre in the browser is back again! and the -

defaults write com.apple.iTunes show-genre-when-browsing -bool FALSE

doesn't seem to work.. anyone found the work around or did it work for you.

MBHockey · 2009-09-09, 21:27

I HATE genre view.

Motor · 2009-09-09, 21:55

You can nest logical connectives in smart playlists now.

For example you can do:

That will give top rated songs where the genre is either rock or alternative.

Brad · 2009-09-09, 21:57

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Originally Posted by gsxrboy

Argh, the stupid genre in the browser is back again! and the -

defaults write com.apple.iTunes show-genre-when-browsing -bool FALSE

doesn't seem to work.. anyone found the work around or did it work for you.

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Originally Posted by MBHockey

I HATE genre view.

Is this what you're looking for?

Brad · 2009-09-10, 00:56

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Originally Posted by Swox

I don't care for it much either. Is there any way to re-skin it with the old ones?

So, I peeked in the iTunes package and it looks like it keeps all of its theme/skin images in a flat resource file. They've been doing this since 1.0. I guess if it ain't broke...

Anyhow, it looks like the window gradient and controls are in there. So, one could change them in a similar manner as with previous versions with a resource editor.

Kickaha · 2009-09-10, 12:26

Random notes:

Home Sharing: Like! Still haven't tested with multiple iTunes Store accounts. (Really really wish there were a way to tie this to MobileMe family accounts as an option, so that there was a concept of 'a family' where all accounts could inter-mix... may not be an issue though, we'll see.) Basic functionality is pretty slick, although the auto-sync is limited to *PURCHASED* items, and only one way. If I purchase anything on my laptop, it gets auto-pushed to the home media server, but not the other way around. Also, I don't see how to handle playlists in any sort of reasonable fashion. Seems to be files only. Bummer. Usability win however: bottom left, flip "All Files" pop up to "Items not on this computer". Instant filtering to see what you don't have locally. Awesome. I wonder if this feature is scriptable at all? If so, huzzah, simple syncing in the bag. (Probably not.

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WebKit: Gruber was half right. iTunes9 is still a 32-bit Carbon app, but the iTunes Store is now (all? mostly?) straight up HTML5 being rendered through WebKit. There is no native client-side store UI, it's *all* being fed from the servers. This is both a great move and a great testbed, as well as (assuming it works well) a great piece of PR for "no, really, HTML5 is usable". Love it.

File -> Library -> Organize Library: Yay!

ime_NY · 2009-09-10, 12:32

I tried my hand at home sharing but ran into an iTunes store account snafu: apparently I had some DRM'ed music under a second iTunes account (AOL), and now Apple is telling me to change that second account................

Anyone know if I can combine my primary (MobileMe) account with the AOL one?

I'd like to let you all know how home sharing works with 2 macs and a windows machine

chucker · 2009-09-10, 12:38

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Originally Posted by Kickaha

WebKit: Gruber was half right. iTunes9 is still a 32-bit Carbon app, but the iTunes Store is now (all? mostly?) straight up HTML5 being rendered through WebKit.

It's XHTML 1.1 + PList XML, actually. The one page I fetched was, anyway.

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There is no native client-side store UI, it's *all* being fed from the servers.

That's been the case since the beginning in April 2003. What's new is the switch from a custom XML dialect to XHTML+PList, and the switch from a custom engine to WebKit. The Store UI has always been entirely downloaded.

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This is both a great move and a great testbed, as well as (assuming it works well) a great piece of PR for "no, really, HTML5 is usable". Love it.

I've only tried with one page, but that one definitely wasn't HTML5 (nor XHTML5), according to its doctype.

(edit) Tried two more pages. In all cases, it first sends a property list, then an XHTML 1.1 document (incorrectly as text/html for no apparent reason) with PList intermingled.

Kickaha · 2009-09-10, 14:31

Wait, you did *experiments*!?! Dear god man, are you trying to single-handedly destroy the rumor blogosphere with your truthiness?? You *CAD*.

I stand corrected. Not HTML5. Mea culpa.

chucker · 2009-09-10, 15:08

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Originally Posted by Kickaha

Wait, you did *experiments*!?! Dear god man, are you trying to single-handedly destroy the rumor blogosphere with your truthiness?? You *CAD*.

I know the intarwebz are a fact-free zone, but still!

MBHockey · 2009-09-10, 17:31

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Originally Posted by Brad

Is this what you're looking for?

You are awesome. I didn't even look for it because it seems that Apple has been insisting on making us use Genre view for the past few big iterations of iTunes.

Thanks

Axl · 2009-09-10, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Brad

Wow! That's beautiful.

psmith2.0 · 2009-09-10, 19:49

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Originally Posted by Brad

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Originally Posted by Axl

Wow! That's beautiful.

Actually, shouldn't it be:

Note the colors...

Yes, I need some sleep.

Brad · 2009-09-10, 20:00

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Originally Posted by pscates2.0

Actually, shouldn't it be:

How appropriate. Well played, Paul. Well played.

Brad · 2009-09-10, 20:03

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Originally Posted by MBHockey

You are awesome. I didn't even look for it because it seems that Apple has been insisting on making us use Genre view for the past few big iterations of iTunes.

Thanks

Yeah, I actually found that menu because my browser defaulted to the left position with only the artists column enabled. So, I was just trying to find out how you guys even had the old top position one!

gsxrboy · 2009-09-10, 21:02

I just found it today as well, when I was showing someone how to change it back to the top view. Thanks anyway

joveblue · 2009-09-10, 21:20

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Originally Posted by MBHockey

You are awesome. I didn't even look for it because it seems that Apple has been insisting on making us use Genre view for the past few big iterations of iTunes.

Thanks

I didn't even realise there was any such thing as column view in iTunes til now

Anyway I'm glad I'm not the only one who instantly noticed how ghastly the new iTunes looks, especially the play controls

P.S. ARGH the position indicator in the scrubber is WHITE, WTF???

Brad · 2009-09-10, 21:38

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Originally Posted by joveblue

I didn't even realise there was any such thing as column view in iTunes til now

Previously it was called "browser" view. It used to have its very own button, but iTunes 8 (IIRC) relegated its activation solely to a menu item.

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Originally Posted by joveblue

P.S. ARGH the position indicator in the scrubber is WHITE, WTF???

And the fill from the playback track is the opposite of the fill for the volume track; one has dark/light for full/empty and the other has light/dark.

What what whaat?! /Mrs. Broflovski

torifile · 2009-09-10, 21:39

Safari 4.0.3 is required to use the store now? Ugh. I really don't like having to restart my computer for a freakin' browser update.

Oh, and can I just say how freakin' cool the genius mix thing is? I just turned it on and I'm impressed with the "stations".

torifile · 2009-09-10, 21:40

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Originally Posted by Brad

Previously it was called "browser" view. It used to have its very own button, but iTunes 8 (IIRC) relegated its activation solely to a menu item.

And the fill from the playback track is the opposite of the fill for the volume track; one has dark/light for full/empty and the other has light/dark.

What what whaat?! /Mrs. Broflovski

cmd + b has always worked for the browser view - which also has been my default view in iTunes for years. I always browse my music one of those 3 ways.

Brad · 2009-09-10, 21:43

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Originally Posted by torifile

Safari 4.0.3 is required to use the store now? Ugh. I really don't like having to restart my computer for a freakin' browser update.

Well, that's one way to force people into the latest version of Safari...

joveblue · 2009-09-10, 21:56

http://static.maniacalrage.net/bucket/itunes/: UI Comparison

torifile · 2009-09-10, 21:59

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Originally Posted by Brad

Well, that's one way to force people into the latest version of Safari...

It's more about the restarting than the updating. Whenever some software wants me to restart after I install it, I think of Windows.

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Brad Selfish Heathen administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Zone of Pain	2009-09-09, 17:32 Glad you guys warned me about the new iTunes skin. I'll zip up my current copy before installing.
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Robo Formerly Roboman, still awesome Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Portland, OR	2009-09-09, 18:28 Why are the bottoms of the red/yellow/green buttons squared off?
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Swox OK Mr. Sunshine! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto	2009-09-09, 18:39 I don't care for it much either. Is there any way to re-skin it with the old ones?
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gsxrboy Member Join Date: Jul 2004	2009-09-09, 20:32 Argh, the stupid genre in the browser is back again! and the - defaults write com.apple.iTunes show-genre-when-browsing -bool FALSE doesn't seem to work.. anyone found the work around or did it work for you.
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MBHockey skates=grafs Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York	2009-09-09, 21:27 I HATE genre view.
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Motor Member Join Date: Feb 2006	2009-09-09, 21:55 You can nest logical connectives in smart playlists now. For example you can do: That will give top rated songs where the genre is either rock or alternative.
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Kickaha Veteran Member Join Date: May 2004	2009-09-10, 14:31 Wait, you did experiments!?! Dear god man, are you trying to single-handedly destroy the rumor blogosphere with your truthiness?? You CAD. I stand corrected. Not HTML5. Mea culpa.
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gsxrboy Member Join Date: Jul 2004	2009-09-10, 21:02 I just found it today as well, when I was showing someone how to change it back to the top view. Thanks anyway
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torifile Less than Stellar Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Durham, NC	2009-09-10, 21:39 Safari 4.0.3 is required to use the store now? Ugh. I really don't like having to restart my computer for a freakin' browser update. Oh, and can I just say how freakin' cool the genius mix thing is? I just turned it on and I'm impressed with the "stations". If it's not red and showing substantial musculature, you're wearing it wrong.
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joveblue Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Melbourne	2009-09-10, 21:56 http://static.maniacalrage.net/bucket/itunes/: UI Comparison
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