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Here's the press release.
Well, the writing was probably already on the wall for Browett after the whole staffing brouhaha, but I can't say I saw the Forstall thing coming (at least, not at this particular moment). Wasn't there some talk about friction between Forstall and other execs recently? |
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Incredible but not surprising.
forstall's power play apparently failed, and Browitt was a mistake from day 1. http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3...-leaving-apple |
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Well since I started mine:P
This is huge. Apple definitely rushed this out knowing the Hurricane news and the markets announcing they would be closed again tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised if these guys didnt even know until today. Forstall definitely became a problem and there were many leaks leading up to this. And he became a symbol of Apple overhyping/promising and underdelivering with Siri and Apple Maps. Interesting tidbit is that Ives is now the director of software user interfaces. Could be good or terrible... but one thing is for sure... Forstall's obsession with software mimicking real life is gone.... thank god. |
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Shocking news with Forstall. Business Insider painted him as a total ass bag, but many also thought he was the CEO in waiting. I'm shocked.
What do you think that means? Do you think this is because he's an ass and causes trouble? I recall several execs wouldn't work with him. Or, do you think it's performance related? Could this mean that Apple thinks iOS is falling behind?!? The Browitt hire was dumb to begin with. Hire from within, in my opinion. Trust your talent and mentoring system. Next man up is the right philosophy in most cases, in my opinion. ...and calling/e-mailing/texting ex-girlfriends on the off-chance they'll invite you over for some "old time's sake" no-strings couch gymnastics... |
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Lots of shit seems to be going on behind the scenes... starting when Mansfield tried to leave and then was convinced to stay..... publicly.
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Forstall is the one who had been behind the horrible skeuomorphic designs in recent years, right? Then good riddance.
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No surprise that Ives won that one. |
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Gotta respect Tim Cook for having the balls to do this. Forstall goes all the way back to the early 90s with Jobs/Next and came to Apple with Jobs in 97 and Jobs obviously thought a lot of him.
and Browett was a bad choice.... good to see quick action to correct bad decisions. Tough to recover from stuff like this though. And they are really milking the existing executive staff for everything. |
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I always wonder about high profile failures and their consequences, within an organization like Apple.
I mean, certainly Siri and Maps were over-promised and under-delivered, and sure Forstall was in charge of those efforts, but I can't imagine major initiatives such as those just sort of happen in Scott's Secret Lab and he occasionally checks in with Tim and Tim goes "So we're cool with the magic software?" and he's all like "absolutely boss, magic as hell" and then they release them and they have problems and Tim is all like "FORSTAAAAAALLLLL!!!!! YOU'RE IN BIG TROUBLE NOW!!!!" You know? If Maps wasn't ready I would have thought there would be some kind of checks and balances in play, and if it was behind schedule and Forstall wasn't getting it done, we should have never known about-- as opposed to just releasing the thing as is and letting the chips fall where they may. At any rate, clearly the Browett piece is good news, and speaks well of Apple's ongoing commitment to the Store experience (although what the decision to hire him in the first place meant is less clear). I guess being willing to admit you made a mistake and correcting it is a good thing, and all, but even better would to be to not make so many mistakes. That which doesn't kill you weakens you slightly and makes you less able to cope until you're completely incapacitated |
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Exactly. This reflects both well and poorly on Tim Cook as CEO. Financially it has been a stellar year.... but there have definitely been a lot of poor decisions and problems.... in public... who knows what is going on behind the scenes. The Mansfield thing at the time really stood out to me, and now it does even more.
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I completely agree with this. Some of the built in iOS apps in the last couple updates have been awful to look at aesthetically.
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Yikes. This really does concern me. Like someone mentioned firstly Mansfield and now Forstall (and the knobber Browett). While I can see Browett was completely the wrong person for the job and therefore his departure cannot come too soon and does not surprise me in the least the other two do worry me.
If I remember correctly both Mansfield and Forstall are Jobs' people, hired under Jobs and followed him around Apple. So after Steve departs Apple you have Mansfield wanting to retire and Cook begging him to stay and now you have Fostall leaving. Forstall was a big thing in getting iOS out the door and followed Steve from Next. This is quite a big shake up. I mean if you think that iOS wasn't progressing, that's fine you bring in more talent to help shape it, you don't just fire the top man?!!! And just because Johnny is good at hardware design is not guarantee that he can do software design. Yes maps was a cock up but Apple had to do it or forever be stuck on Google Maps therefore they had no choice. And do you really fire someone over the faux leather look of apps?!! Was Browett a Cook hiring or Jobs? Edit: Also previously Apple had a very flat structure with lots of heads of departments where now they are combining a lot of roles therefore they are ending up with a hierarchical organisation. There will only be a couple at an execs meeting compared to a previously larger number. Will that change the way Apple makes decisions? Edit 2: since Forstall is staying for a year, it's sounds more like he is having a managed leave of Apple which would be slightly different to sacking. Maybe it's a mutual thing? |
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Cook. I echo your sentiments about Forstall. I personally didn't like him, I thought his success got to his head and I believed every report of him being a dick and power hungry. But he is very much responsible for Apple's success and was a Jobs guy since 1993 or something crazy like that. Jobs could be a dick too. Lots of executive disorder and uncertainty for a company putting up the numbers Apple is. A little weird. |
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How does Apple handle Forstall leaving and not getting snatched up by Google?
Forstall must have incredible knowledge of Apple's plans and obviously has also accomplished a lot. He is a very desirable hire for many companies..... |
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Forstall always bugged me. He seemed far more concerned with style than with substance.
Not sure UI design is quite Ive's forte, though. |
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I am very pleased with this news. The 2 areas of failure for Apple in the past year has been the retail screwup and Maps. Otherwise their execution has been nearly pitch perfect. It also shows that Cook is firmly in control of the company and he's not afraid of having things seem less than perfect. Jobs wouldn't have stood for either of those failures and, it seems, neither will Cook.
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You are suggesting that this is like letting go of anyone. He was a top level executive who had been mentioned as a potential CEO candidate. He was/is involved with Apple's products and decisions at the highest level and likely "knows all". Knowledge alone about concepts, product pipeline, strategies is pretty valuable. His flaws don't matter. The stuff he knows and has knowledge of is priceless.
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Echoing tori's comments about Cook's deciciveness and chucker's on Forstall being more concerned with style over substance.
It will be interesting to see what the consolidation of Ive's, Cue's, Federighi's and Mansfield's teams yield - but, at first glance, it seems a logical restructure. As an aside, I find the political machinations of large organisations fascinating, as too the communication of such changes and think we're privileged to be able to get a glimpse of this. What times. |
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Interesting, out-of-the-blue development. I'm sitting in a Subway prior to heading to the plant and just saw this at DF and Appleinsider and immediately jumped over here to 'Nova...you guys were already on it!
I'd expect nothing less. Was Forstall involved with the new iMac in any way? Because now it all makes perfect sense...I'd fire his silly ass too! |
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But he can't be indispensable. Between the Maps situation and Siri, Forstall had 2 high profile black eyes. Add in the personality nonsense and he had to go. I was worried it wouldn't happen.
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