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I don't think this will impact Mac developers game or otherwise in anything but a positive way for the following reasons:
1. There are still millions of PowerPC Mac users out there as potential customers 2. Expecting people to shell out an aditional $199 (XP home retail price) or $299 (XP pro retail price) to run your $49 app is absurd. 3. Adobe and Microsoft are already making good money on their Mac products. I don't think they would kill development on their Mac products. If they did, they would get an earfull from the folks in points 1 and 2. 4. If this move increases the make marketshare that means more people with the ability to run OS X and more potential customers of OS X software. Would you rather run Delicious Library on OS X, or some alternative that isn't nearly as cool on windows? I see this as a great move to remove any of the remaining excuses switchers may have. As others have said, switchers may have been wanting to give OS X a whirl, but they either had Windows only apps or they weren't certain about the move. Now they have the safety net of keeping all their apps. w00t! "Slow vehicle speeds with frequent stops would signal traffic congestion, for instance." uh... it could also signal that my Mom is at the wheel... |
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I have not decided whether I like this or not. On balance, probably not. I have no desire to run Windows, nor do I have any absolute need to do so. So this does not lead to any particular advantage for me. What it does do, however, is to put at risk at least some future software development for the Mac – software which I might just want and which might just never be developed for OS X – eventually forcing me to run Windows, even though I would prefer not.
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Many of the stumbling blocks to Mac ownership have just been removed by this announcement, IMO. |
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A lot of you seem to think that Apple cares about you the customer. Get real people! They are just like any other corporation trying to become monopolistic in some ways. That is the plan. Get as rich as possible....WOOOOOPEEEEEE.....sad indeed
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In addition, Linux can access HFS+, so file transfers between systems would be a snap. And thanks! no sig, how's that for being a rebel! |
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I just want windows to play games. Which I think is pretty funny. This is neat though, it will certainly help apple.
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Well. I bought a G5 last february so I guess I will try it out by the time I buy the POWER MAC INTEL based chip. The other thing I hope apple makes is the possibility to put the VIDEO CARD you want to your machine without paying large ammounts of money in a BTO one or later on as a part
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Business is inherently risky. Apple has been an innovator because it takes risks. The worst thing, in my mind, that could happen to Apple is that Mac OS X dies and they only sell slick Windows PCs. We have to remember that is the worst thing. Not complete annihilation, but a turn to the dark side of the force.
Remember five years ago? The iPod wasn't even out yet, it came out in October 2001. Things can change in a short amount of time, and we are talking about computers too, one of the most dynamic industries. We could really see Apple be in first place with new computer sales in five years. I think Vista is going to flop because of the high hardware requirements, and the fact that if their computer doesn't meet them, users won't see much difference from XP. I think this is great for Mac. What I do worry about: I remember in 95 how OS/2 came out before Windows 95, touting it's ease of use and compatibility with the old Win 3.1. It eventually flopped. It might be possible Apple could fall in that way. The Major Differences Between OS/2 and OS X: Apple already has a stable footing to gain ground from. OS/2 was never very popular. Most Mac users could never imagine using a PC with Windows. Apple has managed to streamline itself that past few years, so that it's niche can sustain it. Plus it has iPod sales (if it doesn't have to spin them off with iTunes, darn Apple Records.) Apple is in a great place. I doubt few people who switch to a Mac Mini Intel will ever pay for Windows. They have the option, and that puts their mind at ease. There will be some professionals who switch and may have to use Windows alongside Mac, but eventually they will see the wonders of Mac OS X and start transferring their software over to Mac OS X. This transition, while at first difficult, will eventually be excellent for developers who will be able to buy one computer, buy Windows and test software on two platforms easily. Everything is about psychology and people just want to know they can use Windows if they have to, Boot Camp will do that. Windows Vista will blow so bad that Microsoft will loose market share. Instead of switching to Linux or similar operating system (I personally like FreeBSD better than Linux) they will switch to Mac OS X. They will have a computer to match their iPods. All we can do is hope for the best and prepare for the worst. (I have my fingers crossed this risk will pay off.) |
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DELL falling, AAPL going through the roof (nearly 10% today!). It's obvious what the markets think. For once I agree with them too. For the reasons mentioned in this thread (particularly the high cost of Windows which will mean very few Mac users, as a percentage, will ever install Windows), this will have minimal effect on development for OS X. Games may be affected, but even in that niche OS X development won't stop. Besides, many Windows users will buy a Mac knowing they can continue to run Windows, and will then dip their toes in OS X and find it just right. These people will then in the future wish to buy OS X apps.
Mac sales to businesses and computer enthusiasts will increase. I doubt market share will reach 10% on the basis of this, but it will certainly help Apple shift new Macs. |
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Well, that's then stepping the overhead for the user out of the developers hands, it's them saying "hey, buy our $500 software AND a $200 operating system", which, I don't know if any developers have done similar things in the past off hand, but that seems like a very bad business move. They can't just assume everyone is going to be running windows and Mac OS X, personally, I don't see the point at all outside of running games. I would reckon most mac users will run windows on a dual boot and either never use it or forget they did it. |
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i have an old (well, like 2 year old dell... i mean it already looked old when i bought it) which runs windows xp. can i use the windows install disc it came with and install xp on my intel imac to see how things work with this boot camp? or do i have to go out to the store and spend more money on windows (eww).
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Now this has me thinking if I should install it on my 1.83 GHz, 100 GB 7200 RPM (currently 50 GB because of the crap it comes with and 4 Jam Packs), 2.0 GB RAM. Then this says 10 gigs needed right? Damn, I will probably not have space for anything else. What things can I unistall that are mostly not needed?
THE END IS NEAR...AAAAHH hahah....just kidding I will probably get the 10 dollar xp install disc from my university bookstore and try it anyways...it can always be uninstalled right? Last edited by tacvbo83 : 2006-04-05 at 13:38. |
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Looks like it performs well, graphically speaking. Once I get it installed, I'm gonna try out a few demos and see how they run. I'll also try WCIII (the only recent hybrid game I've got). Maybe I'll swing by the ebgames on the way home and pick up a used game and see how that works.
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I just had a chat with my bro who is a die hard PeeCee fan. He said he would finally consider purchasing a Mac, if BootCamp is for real. He seems to be fed up (to some extent) with MS, so he doesn't really plan on upgrading to Vista, but he won't (yet) switch 100% to Linux or Mac OS X either. I don't think my bro is alone, there will be quite a few PC users who will see BootCamp as great reason to get an intel Mac whenever they need to buy another computer.
During our discussion, one thing came up which I don't have a good answer for. BootCamp allows the user to select which OS to boot from. Cool. Could it be at all possible for an intel Mac w/Leopard or whatever in the future, to boot *both* Mac OS X and Windows XP and switch between them live? Maybe freezing / saving the OS state in the background? |
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what if they did this to increase market share dramatically and then discontinued it on future macs.........
i.e. everyone that buys a windows capable mac can keep using it.... the market share blows up and then apple discontinues boot camp on future apples (but doesn't stop the current ones) then all of a sudden you have a large enough market share to support more development just because they give it to use now, doesn't mean they can't discontinue it in the future once they've milked the market for people who need both. ---- does boot camp support firewire booting of windows? i don't want to put it on my internal partition |
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Apple said BootCamp would be integrated in Leopard. It's not going anywhere for at least one major OS release.
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All I know is at the end of the day there are a shit ton of people who want a Mac, but who play a lot of computer games. This basically removes any and all reason not to get a Mac.
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