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My opinion of the Toyota brand remains the same considering recent developments. | 24 | 51.06% | |
My opinion of the Toyota brand has degraded considering recent developments. | 9 | 19.15% | |
If I were buying a car today, I would consider buying a Toyota despite recent developments. | 22 | 46.81% | |
If I were buying a car today, I would no longer consider buying a Toyota because of recent developments. | 3 | 6.38% | |
If I were buying a car today, I wouldn't have considered a Toyota regardless of recent developments | 16 | 34.04% | |
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On most newer cars the breaks lock up if you turn the car off... at least in my experience.
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For vehicles installed with the push-button start (like the Venza), it's not exactly intuitive how to turn the engine off. You have to hold the button for three seconds, while panicky people are more likely to jam it quickly and repeatedly.
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Even if you can't brake, you'll still be losing momentum at a decent speed. Just maintain control and coast to a stop. Turning off the car is not preferred and is certainly the last thing you should do if all else fails, but it is still an option. Quote:
If these people know their cars, then they should realize how long it takes normally for the car to shut off when it has a push button. Wait, nvm. I am giving people way too much credit when it comes to thinking straight when it comes to driving...... I had 3 people sit at a green light just today...... giggity |
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I doubt that these cars were in such bad need of brake repair that they wouldn't stop the car. We're talking very new vehicles, right? Like 3-4 years old?
Yeah, something isn't quite right in this story. If it's just a mechanical thing, brakes would have stopped the cars. People are stupid but not that stupid. If it's not red and showing substantial musculature, you're wearing it wrong. |
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I am not a fan of fly by wire. Nor am I a fan of anything being fully automatic. And I think drivers who like those features should think again. 'Remember, measure life by the moments that take your breath away, not by how many breaths you take' Extreme Sports Cafe | ESC's blog | scratt's blog | @thescratt |
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You're giving people way too much credit on how well they drive....... giggity |
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I am worthless beyond hope. Join Date: May 2004
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I wouldn't have bought a Toyota anyway.
I wouldn't have bought an American or Asian car anyway. I like my car makers European and a bit blonde. |
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3-4 years.... You can wear out brakes in a few weeks if you come off highways at speed and only use your brakes to stop you.
When I was 17 I was going through brake pads like they were candy! 'Remember, measure life by the moments that take your breath away, not by how many breaths you take' Extreme Sports Cafe | ESC's blog | scratt's blog | @thescratt |
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On new cars yes. I noticed it more on my old car, which did not have power assist or ABS. |
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True, I'd say that would get rid of 98% of drivers, works for me.
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Yeah, this is a huge problem. I don't mean to be elitist, but we really need to make sure that people are educated better in so many walks of life. Especially when you are driving around in a ton of machinery that can kill you and anyone else unlucky enough to get in the way.
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I'm cool with drive by wire...when it works. Personally, I'd rather have a full-on drive by wire system than a mechanical system with a computer-controlled nanny that adds to the complexity (and thus failure points) of the system. Just look at this whole clusterfuck now. Is it a mechanical problem with the pedal? Is it the "safety" computer? Who knows?
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I am fine with throttle being fly by wire, and even triptronic gears etc. But my engine kill switch (the key) and brakes needs to work in a catastrophic failure. Period. 'Remember, measure life by the moments that take your breath away, not by how many breaths you take' Extreme Sports Cafe | ESC's blog | scratt's blog | @thescratt |
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I have a better idea, take control away from the driver away completely. You program in a route, and the car drives. Everyone would go the speed limit, break better, etc, because they wouldn't be involved at all.
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No amount of improving public transit will help. Not everyone wants to live or go into the big cities, which is what transit does best. The reality is, public transit is good to a point, and then it becomes useless.
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Far better, raise the required standard of driver skill level, introduce driver license levels and regular retests, and make people appreciate the ability to drive. Or take it away from them and stick them on the transit system (reduce their license level) until they develop the required skills / appreciation for the machinery they want to drive. If you just want to commute and go shopping you can have a little 100cc run about. If like me you want to go cross country in anything more powerful you need the required licences to do that or you go by train / bus or plane. In my day I had to know how to look after a car as well as drive it to get my license. 'Remember, measure life by the moments that take your breath away, not by how many breaths you take' Extreme Sports Cafe | ESC's blog | scratt's blog | @thescratt |
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Don't get me wrong, I love driving to, but there are too many dumb people out there, education or not. We have a graduated drivers license system here in BC, and we still have some of the worst drivers out there.
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These are the kind of things where I am all for more government control, because I know if something is important to me I'll pass the test and mouth breathers won't. End of problem. BC seems to have the right idea, from what you say. They just need to implement it properly. i.e. Stamp out corruption / apathy in officials, raise the bar on the tests and tell dumb people to shape up or suck it up. 'Remember, measure life by the moments that take your breath away, not by how many breaths you take' Extreme Sports Cafe | ESC's blog | scratt's blog | @thescratt |
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I want to know why everyone who has the sudden acceleration problem seems to forget about the existence of their gearshift. If you start accelerating, throw it into neutral. Bam, no more acceleration!
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I think it comes down to what we're discussing. A sudden unfamiliar situation causes panic and brain freeze in 99.99999% of drivers. Which is why we need better education and training that involves skid / loss of control / other kinds of emergencies, and licensees not to be issued until they are all passed.
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Well from reading reports of when it happened, the car was at WOT. Which doesn't surprise me as I bet the first thing people would do is stump at the gas pedal seeing if they can get it unstuck which would bring the engine above 5000 RPM.
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