[TimeandSpace]

When do you think Mac OS 10.4.11 will be released? It's been so long since the first seed.

[chucker]

When it's done.

Seriously, nobody knows. Those who do aren't allowed to say.

[rasmits]

Any particular thing you're waiting for in 10.4.11?

[Fahrenheit]

MG200x??!??!H0M3Sk00I

I don't know when its coming out. Thats between Apple and Kraetos.

[TimeandSpace]

Originally Posted by rasmits Any particular thing you're waiting for in 10.4.11?

40 fixes so far. It would be worth to upgrade to. Link:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/09/26/safari_a_focus_of_apples_latest_mac_os_x_10_4_11_b uild.html

[Banana]

I'd imagine that 40 fixes are very very minor. The examples given referred to localization files, hardly something that would incite a kernel panic. The article doesn't get into specifics or mention if there's any noteworthy fix, like hiding Mail at startup.

*ducks*

[Kraetos]

Originally Posted by TimeandSpace When do you think Mac OS 10.4.11 will be released? It's been so long since the first seed.

I could tell you, but then I would have to kill you.

[Kraetos]

Originally Posted by rasmits Any particular thing you're waiting for in 10.4.11?

The ability to hide mail at startup, of course.

[Kraetos]

Originally Posted by Banana I'd imagine that 40 fixes are very very minor. The examples given referred to localization files, hardly something that would incite a kernel panic. The article doesn't get into specifics or mention if there's any noteworthy fix, like hiding Mail at startup. *ducks*

Also, the final update for a major OS version usually includes backwards compatibility fixes for using software designed (but not limited to) for the next OS.

IIRC, 10.3.9 came after 10.4.0. This is also why the system requirements for software is often "10.3.9 or higher." Whats special about 10.3.9? Tiger compatiblity updates.

(sorry about 3 consecutive posts, but I'm on the iphone where I dont have access to copy and paste or multiquote)

[chucker]

Originally Posted by Kraetos Also, the final update for a major OS version usually includes backwards compatibility fixes for using software designed (but not limited to) for the next OS.

Actually, 10.3.9 was the first (and thus far only) time Apple has done that. OS X-wise, anyway; I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled something similar in the 7.x/8.x days.

IIRC, 10.3.9 came after 10.4.0. This is also why the system requirements for software is often "10.3.9 or higher." Whats special about 10.3.9? Tiger compatiblity updates.

Pedantry: 10.3.9 came out after 10.4.0 hit golden master, but before it shipped to consumers.

http://www.macrumors.com/2005/03/31/tiger-gold-master/
http://www.apple.com/support/downloa...pdate1039.html
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/apr/28tiger.html

You're right about the compatibility updates, though, in two major areas: support for GCC 4*, and Safari 1.3 with a WebKit build that was almost identical to the Safari 2.0 which shipped with Tiger. Thus, any app that relies on a relatively recent version of WebKit will require at least 10.3.9.

*) This is often confused with "support for Universal Binaries". It is technically possible to make a Universal Binary work with 10.2, even, but that makes for a much harder build process, and isn't Apple's recommended road. So, for simplicity's sake, "GCC 4 support" and "Universal Binary support" are very frequently treated as one and the same, even if that's not quite accurate.

[Mugge]

Originally Posted by Kraetos I could tell you, but then I would have to kill you.

And Steve would kill you.

Originally Posted by Kraetos The ability to hide mail at startup, of course.

Don't be cruel.

[Kraetos]

Originally Posted by Mugge Don't be cruel.

I'm waiting for the party rasmits is going to throw when Mail finally DOES hide at startup.

[spotcatbug]

The release notes will say:

- Mail now hides at startup (XOXOX to rasmits. Love, Steve. Now stop calling, please.)

[rasmits]

I've been leaving tearful, drunken messages on Steve's answering machine at 3AM Cupertino time. It shouldn't be long before he caves in...

In fact, I may be his inspiration for Visual Voicemail.

[chucker]

Originally Posted by rasmits In fact, I may be his inspiration for Visual Voicemail.

Ah, so you're the one responsible for the AT&T exclusive deal.

[Mugge]

Instead of Mail hiding on start-up, there will be a dialogue box teasing rasmits. And every time he attempts to click the red widget it will zip off to a new place on the desktop. Needless to say, the "+W" will be disabled. However, there will be an option for him to "brick" his Mac.

Fortunately for us, this will only happen to rasmits. But a video-podcast will be generated on iTunes where we can observe his torment.

Steve told me so.