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That would be 6x, I'm guessing.
So, based on early benchmarks, it looks like the performance cores run at the same clock; there's no change in single-threaded performance compared to the M1. Which I find slightly disappointing, given that a year has passed. For multiple threads, the two legit results I'm seeing so far suggest either a 67% or 55% improvement. Given that they're doubled the performance cores (and halved the efficiency cores, which should barely play into this), that's also not quite the improvement one might hope for. 100% is unrealistic, but something closer to 80% would've been nice. They talked a lot more about GPU performance, and that does look impressive based on their charts. Personally, I would have benefitted more from CPU improvements. Supporting more external displays again is nice. This was my bet — they didn't get around to it on the M1, but for the higher-end models, they figured it's an important feature to have. That said, no eGPU support at this point, possibly never. Hardware-accelerated ProRes encoding makes sense (this is exactly the sort of thing where Apple's hw+sw integration shines), and is probably pretty great if you do that sort of thing. I'm told these massive memory bandwidth numbers are mostly something the GPU benefits from; perhaps also the Neural Engine (and it may have been necessary to make hardware-accelerated ProRes encoding useful at all). I guess we'll have to wait for the AnandTech analysis, but it's indeed looking like the CPU doesn't really make much use of the higher memory bandwidth; the need just isn't there. Now, to put all that in perspective, though, Intel's fastest notebook CPU currently benched at Geekbench is 18% slower on single-threaded and 55% slower on multi-threaded tasks. AMD's Ryzen 9 5980HX seems to be doing similarly. So Apple is well ahead of the competition here. Intel claims a roughly 20% IPC improvement with the upcoming Alder Lake, which we should see start shipping late this year. But that would only let them catch up with the M1's single-threaded performance. It would still be slower than the M1 Pro on multi-threaded tasks, and it's looking like it'll only accomplish its goal by burning even more power. This was Intel's rare shot at a significant performance boost and, it's not enough. So, to be clear, I'm not down on the M1 Pro. I was really hoping we'd see a single-threaded boost every year, even if it's just 5-10%. It's not clear to me what Apple's further plans are. Will there only be major Mac CPU designs every other year? Or are we seeing an M2 early next year, and it just wasn't ready in time for these Pro laptops? |
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I'm guessing that, while Apple is no longer new to the processor space, they are new to the desktop-class processor space, and are still working on their long-term roadmap. Let's give this thing 5 years and see what comes of it. The first iterations cannot be our guide-post for the future.
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Remember the iPad jokes? This naming stuff is gonna get weird. "Introducing the new Mac Pro with Maxi Pro inside." "When you have Maxi Pro inside, what could go wrong?" - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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“I have a Mac mini with an M1 Max”
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My head is already hurting.
"I've got a iMac Pro Max with the M2 Pro, maxed out...". I'm sure you do. |
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Max out your Max.
Macs out your Macs? Looks like you've got Max coming outta your Macs. All your Max are belong to us! Boy, there's a lot of Max in these new Macs. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Mr. Vieira
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Yeah, they probably should've gone with other names, IMO.
Tying "Max" to your Mac is just gonna result in a lot of impromptu, aggravating Abbot and Costello routines...as we've already demonstrated above. They chose two words - Pro and Max - that are already part of, or similar to, words used far various Mac models. How does that not degenerate into a twisted "Who's on Max?" headache? "Wait...when you say 'max', are you saying 'max' with an 'x', as in 'maximum'...or are you saying 'Macs', as in the computer? Plural? Spell it. And we haven't even gotten to the 'pro' part of your statement yet. Seriously, WTF Mac do you have?! You know what...just write it down - don't say it - or we're gonna be here all afternoon." It's gonna be a jumbled, confusing mouthful if they're not careful. Personally, I think Plus and Extreme might've worked. Standalone words, not already in use or similar to the machines they're going on. No way anything gets jumbled or confusing. The "Plus" is more than, a step up from, the M1 (and M2, M3, etc.) and makes sense. And then the extreme being even beyond that...extreme meaning the nth, top degree of something? "I ordered the new MacBook Pro with the M1 Plus. I thought about going with the M1 Extreme, but it is overkill for my needs...". No head-scratching or "slow down and say that again" required. I already don't like the "Pro" and "Max" naming just for the confusion it'll likely bring about down the road. |
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Mr. Vieira
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But does that that imply that first M1X isn't "pro" level? Having that word only show up in the highest tier makes the M1X maybe look "less than pro". The entire MX line would be "pro" specs/performance.
M1 M1 Pro M1 More Proer Solved. You're welcome. In all seriousness, I'd be okay with something like: M1 M1X M1X Plus The "x" being accepted shorthand for "pro" level AS (eXtra), and the "Plus" being even an additional step beyond that. M2 M2X M2X Plus ...and so on. They never check with us about this shit, do they? |
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They should’ve just done t-shirt sizes. M1, M1L, M1XL.
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Mr. Vieira
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I never expected two levels of the pro AS. That rumor hit over the weekend, even (correctly) naming them "Pro" and "Max".
I just assumed it would be a single thing, with 2-3x whatever the M1 had/did (more RAM, more cores, etc.). Two things, and then each of those available in several variants...buying a MacBook Pro got really interesting (and required some thinking/planning as of yesterday). When you max one of those things out, it gets expensive real quick. But, for those users, that's what they want/need. Good for them. I always like to lose my mind and spec out the beefiest model of anything...$6,099 for the 16" with 64GB RAM and 8TB SSD. I'll take two, please! |
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Apple is being consistent with the naming of the CPU. It matches the iPhone/iPad naming convention, so people get it.
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Yeah but are you getting the Max with 24 GPU cores or the MaxerMax with 32?
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And the iPhone Pro Max has… both Pro and Max. Which makes sense (it's Pro compared to the non-Pro, and it's Max in terms of size). I really think an M1X and M1XL nomenclature would've worked better. I'm also not sure what they'll do with the high-end desktops. M1 Maxxx Pornstar Edition? |
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M1
M1 Pro M(ax)1 M(ax)1 Pro? M(ax)1 Pro(duct)(RED)?* Darn it, superscript doesn't work. * = The branding guidelines for Product Red drive me insane. It seems obvious to me that what they should do is have you substitute your product name for "Product" so instead of saying "iPhone 12 Product (RED)" you're supposed to say " iPhone 12 (RED)". But they dont seem to give that guideline. |
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Well, Anandtech thinks pretty highly of these new SOCs. In terms of content creation workflows, they had this to say:
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(Notice how the screenshot says "macOS version 12.0.1". As I expected, these come with a special build, not the one everyone else is getting today.)
(edit) To clarify: not quite. Everyone is getting 12.0.1, but before, these machines and apparently only these machines shipped with 12.0.0. They get an insta-update. Last edited by chucker : 2021-10-26 at 03:31. |
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Another interesting tidbit regarding pro apps in content creation:
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But...but...they need to go back to Intel!
"Hey, they're not gonna just walk in here and [fill in the blank]...". Apple: hold my organic, racially-sensitive mocha latte. |
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There's some "hurr durr Intel has Apple beat" stuff going around, and, yeah, you could argue that.
A leaked benchmark shows Alder Lake-H beating M1 Max on both single-threaded and multi-threaded tests. But even if accurate:
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Alder lake is going to be an energy hog, at least on the desktop. Isn’t Intel pushing 150W (rated) but Intel 125W chips are known to pull over 200W from the wall stock. What is the power rating of the M1 Pro and M1 Max again? I’d bet neither even hits 100W from the wall. It’s not even a contest to see who’s got the more efficient design, and who has more room for improvement.
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Yeah, but that's Tiger Lake — Alder Lake will burn even more power than that!
https://wccftech.com/intel-alder-lak...4-core-at-45w/ An ostensibly 45W CPU would previously go up to 135W (which is already questionable). Now, it can be configured to go up to 215W. |
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Mr. Vieira
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Interesting story out on the AS front.
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I just assumed any new Mac Pro coming in 2022 would be on an M2 Pro/Max, but maybe that's not how it works? The M1, and all its variations, could be in the picture for some time and it won't be a yearly M1, M2, M3 type of thing at all. I sure will be happy in another year or so, once it's a little more obvious how all this stuff shakes out and what the names mean, and how things are stacked, etc. PS - Every post I make in this thread will be 3-6x as ignorant/clueless as the ones I make elsewhere. Heads up! If AN has an "ignore user by thread" feature, now would be the time. |
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Mr. Vieira
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I wrote the manual, brother man.
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