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2020-11-16, 11:15

Progress bars that don’t show progress are my most hated things in Apple-dom. I’ve had numerous moments of unease or mini-panic over the years at something “stuck” and not happening for 15-20 minutes.

But I always knew better than to abort and just wait it out. For someone who’s used this stuff for 25+ years, I kinda know those moments occur. For newcomers to the platform having to do these things without a Mac-savvy friend or relative, I can see why they’d think something is wrong and stop the procedure, resulting in trouble.

It seems Apple could put a little text blurb/message on screen saying exactly what was taking place and “even though the progress bar may not be moving, important installations are taking place. These may take some time. Please do not shut down or restart your Mac.” or things along that line.

They could easily throw folks a bone and calm their fears at those moments.

Just sitting there staring at a progress bar that hasn’t budged in 15+ minutes, with no helpful text on the screen to let you know “this is normal...relax” kinda sucks.

Maybe address that in MacOS Napa, Apple. Seems pretty easy to implement.
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2020-11-16, 11:58

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Progress bars that don’t show progress are my most hated things in Apple-dom. I’ve had numerous moments of unease or mini-panic over the years at something “stuck” and not happening for 15-20 minutes.

But I always knew better than to abort and just wait it out. For someone who’s used this stuff for 25+ years, I kinda know those moments occur. For newcomers to the platform having to do these things without a Mac-savvy friend or relative, I can see why they’d think something is wrong and stop the procedure, resulting in trouble.
Who's to say there isn't a bug where it does get stuck, though?

It seemed to take 75-ish minutes. I guess some people will be patient and leave it running overnight, but… what if it does take 9 hours?

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It seems Apple could put a little text blurb/message on screen saying exactly what was taking place and “even though the progress bar may not be moving, important installations are taking place. These may take some time. Please do not shut down or restart your Mac.” or things along that line.

They could easily throw folks a bone and calm their fears at those moments.
Definitely, but beyond that, while showing a simple, slick progress bar is fine for things that take at most just a few minutes, there comes a point where giving some more "what the hell is it doing right now?" details would ease tensions. Is it still reticulating splines? Reversing the polarity? Etc.

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Just sitting there staring at a progress bar that hasn’t budged in 15+ minutes, with no helpful text on the screen to let you know “this is normal...relax” kinda sucks.

Maybe address that in MacOS Napa, Apple. Seems pretty easy to implement.
Yup.
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Mr. Farmiga
 
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2020-11-16, 12:13

I'm all for it. I want to know what's being done, even if it's just a static bit of text. It's the "nothing" - and nothing moving - that sometimes scares me.

I've never waited on anything on this front more than 25-30 minutes. I guess I've been lucky.

I've had friends/relatives call or text me during installations "nothing's happening and I'm not sure what to do...".

"Just give it time, wait it out...there sometimes seems to be a part where it hangs up and just sits, but it'll move again. DO NOT shut down or restart!"

But Apple could do things on their end to make it to where those people never had to call me in a worried, semi-frantic tone (or that they'd know for sure not to shut down/restart). Nobody wants a $1,400 paperweight, but I bet it's happened plenty.
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2020-11-16, 12:23

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Nobody wants a $1,400 paperweight, but I bet it's happened plenty.
Yup.
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pscates2.0
Mr. Farmiga
 
Join Date: May 2004
 
2020-11-16, 13:13

Yikes!

I'm on the early-2013 13" MacBook Pro...but I'm not risking it. In fact, I might not even be eligible anyway. I need to check...

EDIT: Ah, I can't. Just as well. Wasn't looking to do it anyway. My Big Sur experience will just come via a new Mac at some point in 2021 (an Apple/M1-based one...Air, new iMac or whenever they transition the two higher-end 13" MacBook Pro models).
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Ryan
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2020-11-16, 15:21

I'll probably update my personal machine later this week. Gonna be months before my work machine is updated though.
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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2020-11-17, 10:44

I have an older MBP that I'm not sure what year it was made. I 'm not chancing an upgrade on it.

So far it has been great on my wife's MBP. I'm not doing much on it, but Fusion works great on there so there is hope I can upgrade my MBP.

I like the integrations I'm seeing with iOS and most importantly () the fact that icons have real texture again. Putting every icon in a box sucks though.

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