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FYI: OEM copies of XP home edition SP2 are for sale on NewEgg for $86.00.
Chucker: yeah, my first post was a bit fuzzy, but I figured people would get the gist of things.. |
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Ugh, Home Edition. I don't understand how Microsoft can even sell that shit without a guilty conscience.
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Not everyone is running a dualie and needing to connect to their corporate network all the while keeping keeping the kids from installing software on their accounts. For 'home', single user, office and internet tasks it fits the bill. And when you are doing a system build for a client the lower OEM price of home often means a price tag that closes the sale. no sig, how's that for being a rebel! |
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Join Date: May 2004
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You are correct. I have met / encountered many people in the last five years who said "yah... you know they're really nice, but I can't afford to buy one unless I can run my most important programs on it, and there's no Mac version." This will -without any question- boost sales quite a bit across the board. Also: those who are yapping about Adobe giving up Mac, please stop and re-evaluate how much you know vs. how much you guess. Wildly. Aside from the obvious, which is that BC requires Mac users to purchase a second, $285 OS (OS X only costs $129 - do we really think people will be anxious to spend twice as much on Windows? I don't.), major developers aren't going to a) throw away the huge investment they've already made in the Mac platform (that includes people and capital, not just code); and b) assume that every Mac user now has a copy of Windows running on their machine. This is going to be a fairly niche thing IMO. The majority of Mac users won't use it on a regular basis. Regardless, running an app in OS X still maintains the same advantages of stability, interface and other factors that Windows does not have. Fear of viruses, impatience with frequent rebooting and the like will deter most users as well. This is only a huge deal to geeks like us, and people who want to tinker with a Mac, but are really Windows-first users. ...into the light of a dark black night. Last edited by Moogs : 2006-04-05 at 20:43. |
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Except for the crucial fact that the entire security architecture is simply severely broken in Home. |
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**also note that outgoing services can be limited at the firewall level. I mean, home or pro, you still have to follow the golden rule of once physical access has been obtained to the computer, security goes out the window. If someone wants your data, and has physical access, consider it stolen. Unless there is something I am missing? no sig, how's that for being a rebel! |
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SP2 made some advances in this area, but the state of the union in this regard is still nothing short of pathetic. The fact that installing third party software remedies this is irrelevant; such mandatory maintenance/security functionality should simply be available from the OS vendor these days. Quote:
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1) difficulties using XP Home with an account that isn't an admin. All users are admins per default, and life is m ade hard for you if you try and change that. Note that, unlike on OS X, an admin user has quite a few privileges without additional confirmation. Yes, Vista changes this, but that's not the point. 2) the near-impossibility of locking down access to certain directories, due to the crippled security UI (regarding ACLs, for instance). No, this isn't something the user should have to care about, but since Windows's default settings in this regard are problematic, this becomes all the more aggravating as, unlike in Pro, there is little in Home that can be done about it. 3) likewise, the same for SMB/CIFS-based sharing of folders. It's a bit of an "all or nothing" OS. I wouldn't recommend anyone using it without a hardware firewall (NAT/masquerading should suffice, though). |
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*) That's what Microsoft calls the process of applying a service pack, then re-burning the install media. |
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Near Indianapolis
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chucker,
I understand your point, but what does that have to do with the 'case' I presented? Every note you posted is very applicable and of concern when it comes to a system with more then one user, or a system on a larger network of users. Non of them really apply to a single user system. A single user would not need to restrict access to directories from other users as there are no other users on the system. Quote:
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Minnesota
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That Dell's GeForce 6800 will kick the pants off the iMac's X1600 Pro. The processors are probably pretty equal... the Pentium D has a much higher clock speed, but it's not as powerful per clock. But then, of course, you have the "intangibles" (or maybe they're not so intangible) of the built-in iSight, the wonderful form factor, the included wireless, and OS X.
As for dual booting, I don't see why XP Home would be too bad for it. If you're just running a few programs and games, there shouldn't be much difference. And yes, OEM copies from NewEgg should work since they're not tied to a particular machine. |
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I started up the computer with the option key after getting OS X and XP installed. I got a boot screen that had a CD icon: You may not be able to tell, but under the CD it says "Windows". I chose it anyway. I got to the install screen and it started. I didn't let it go past loading the initial drivers, etc. But I was able to select my language and keyboard layout. After that, I aborted the install. But I had no trouble at all booting to it by holding the option key and selecting the disc. Looks like bootcamp will work for Linux too. |
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I will probably do it if it can be installed in an external drive. Too bad Apple has not said anything about that.
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Milwaukee
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the 6800 crushes the x1600. Spanks it like a disobidient catholic school girl.
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My conclusion: I think Apple is walking a fine line with Mac OS developers and it's success, you know... you don't want to push it too far. However, I don't think Apple would of let this out of the bag if they weren't sure of their developers. I'm not worried!
I think it would of been safer to market Boot Camp separately, instead of being a built-in feature of Leopard. |
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Milwaukee
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has anyone run hl2 at native res with a macbook pro doing this? I want to know how it runs!!
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Matt, please ... "of" is not a verb, "would of" does not make any sense. I hate being a grammar nazi, but this is just so wrong ...
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I don't remember if you have to check something in the options/settings before you're able to access the console. |
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