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Has the name Antares been mentioned somewhere? Morpheus |
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Any thoughts on what core it's using (modified 970? stripped down P5 w/ Altivec, perhaps with SMT?) |
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I think I'd trust an IBM pdf mentioning the GR-UL over a NMR report from 2002. Do you have any "real" information or have you not woken up from the matrix yet :smokey: The POWER5 is the GR the derivative GR-UL (ultra light or whatever) please come with something more substantial than 2 yr old links or don't come at all. omgwtfbbq |
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You want "real" info? You will have it. Does this board supports attachments? how? Morpheus |
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I don't doubt your info but http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/files/d...4_arch.2up.pdf this link which is now dead used to show that the POWER5 is known as the "GR" and below it had "GR-UL" referenced to a 97x chip. Wouldn't this naming scheme seem to corrolate with how they handled the POWER4 and hence GP-UL? Can we expect Dual Core during 1H 2005? What about ondie memory controllers do you think that will make it in the POWER5 derivative? I'm just razzin' you for more info but I'm always keen on hearing any speculation. It's fun to me.
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Antares is Power4 based. There was a time when a dual-core GPUL was the only plan (as mentioned on the NMR linked above), although that changed for various reasons... As for planned dates, Protos to Apple Aug/2004 and Oct/2004, Prod Jan/2005... as for Apple's plan, that I do not know... Is it possible to post attachments here? BTW, the link you refer to is live at http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/files/d...4_arch.2up.pdf Morpheus |
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Some more details:
"The IBM PowerPC 970MP RISC Microprocessor is a dual-core, 64-bit implementation of the IBM PowerPC ® family of reduced instruction set computer (RISC) microprocessors that are based on the PowerPC Architecture. This dual microprocessor, also called the PowerPC 970MP, includes a Vector/SIMD facility which supports high-bandwidth data processing and compute-intensive operations. The 970MP is also designed to support multiple system organizations, including desktop and low-end server applications, up through 4-way SMP configurations. Note: The IBM PowerPC 970MP incorporates two complete microprocessors on a single chip, along with some common logic to connect these microprocessors to a system." Morpheus |
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Join Date: May 2004
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/Title (BLUELOGO.EPS)
/Creator (Adobe Illustrator\(TM\) 3.0) /Metadata 734 0 R /Author (CAPT. JAMES T. KIRK) That's lines 1062-1065 of the PDF. I'm just sayin' The sky was deep black; Jesus still loved me. I started down the alley, wailing in a ragged bass. |
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Of course someone at IBM's graphics department could have a sense of humor.
And line 5439 lists the creation date (2004-06-15) and CreatorTool (FrameMaker 7.1) and line 5441 lists the author as IBM Microelectronics. Somebody willing to devote a lot of time and effort could have made this. So at this stage, as with almost all "leaked" images and documents, I can't tell (and nobody else can really - like with the 10.4 screenshots for example). The sky was deep black; Jesus still loved me. I started down the alley, wailing in a ragged bass. |
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I don't see that as a cred-killer. Glad to see skeptical investigation though! |
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So, what say we get on with discussing the material itself, rather than the source and the validity thereof? :smokey: |
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Good job Morpheus. I'm not worthy
The pdf makes sense to me. Not because I'm an engineer but because It's very believable. If I was a IBM employee wanting to create a false document for fun..I think I would be a little bit more bold than creating a dual core datasheet. Hell I would have wrote some bogus cell processor info with made up stuff tossed in. This doc convinces me that Apple/IBM are definitely planning dual core...perhaps by next model revision. Apple's nextgen Powermacs may all be dual core computers using only once socket. I'm sure this would allow them to make the mobo cheaper. However they could go crazy and go for dual sockets for dual cores. Option options. |
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Will this 970MP be pin compatible with existing 970 processors? This information should be available in the PDF but the index doesn't reveal anything about it. It it is, chanses are pretty good that Apple quite easily could just put two of these on the existing mobos and pray to God that the liquid cooling will be sufficient.
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Join Date: May 2004
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If this info is true, then we should not see hyperthreaded G5, but dual core G5.
This dual core G5 will be huge chip,even, bigger than the power4 (even if there is no L3 cache manager, there is two altivec unit : one for each core). I day it's not impossible to see such a chip, but I am surprised that they do not create an hyperthreaded G5 who recquieres much less transistors (but who will be less performant either). This G5 MP, will produce lot of heat. It may be possible to see one in a desktop with the 90 nm process, but we will never see them in an I mac or a powerbook, unless they will be fabbed on 65 nm process. |
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If he show the internal content, he will truly betray the companie from who he is working for. There is some secret infos here. This is explanation one; Explanation two, it's a fake, and the less he say, the less work it is, and the less mistakes he will do. but FFL think it's a real PDF file, so I will vote (and be happy to) for explanation one. |
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Join Date: May 2004
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"Scorpios are flirtatious in their communications with others and network well" = xGrid benefits? |
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